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  • Why Do Morally Conflicted Women In Genre Fiction Always Die?

    In the Princess Series Jim C Hines explores a world where Snow White, Sleeping Beauty and Cinderella have to continue beyond their happily ever afters. He’s got a very cool feminist twist on the stories and treats the original material as myths, finding hidden and dramatic horrors in between the words. Snow White wasn’t running from an evil stepmother–just an evil mother. Sleeping Beauty wasn’t wakened from a hundred year slumber by the kiss of a prince but by the birth of the prince’s children. Cinderella, Cinderella found true love with a goofy but good prince after one dance, but has to learn how to be a person after being a slave for most of her life.

    Over the course of the four books the three women team up to battle espionage and villains (and fairies). They meet the Little Mermaid and the Snow Queen and Little Red Riding Hood, or as they’re known in that world: the mad mermaid, mad queen and vicious assassin for hire. It’s a fast and pleasurable read. Each book is a breezy 250+ pages with just the right blend of progressiveness (women of color playing traditionally white heroines! lesbians! Psychosis not being villainized!), plotting and solid characterization to keep you reading.

    And boy did I. I plowed through the first two books in a day. Tackled the third, accidentally read a spoiler about the fourth that put me off the series for a week, and then finished the final book and a half in another day.

    They were excellent. But by the end of that fourth book I was sobbing. Legit fat tears ran down my face as I got dressed for a wedding and as I made my way to the lovely ceremony in a silky dress in a 106 degree heat I tried to figure out just what had me so upset that I was depressed by a fluffy series of books about fairytale characters as spies.

    Someone dies in that final book and with their death we see the continuation of a cycle in fiction that depresses the hell out of me. What’s worse is that it’s a cycle regularly employed by some really savvy feminist sort of fellas. Jim C Hines? Rob Tapert? Chris Claremont? Joss Whedon? They’re not men you’d ever label a misogynist. In fact those last three fundamentally changed how stories are told about women. They gave us Xena and the Dark Phoenix Saga and Buffy, the Vampire Slayer.

    Grant Morrison also gave us some of these characters but who used their infinite powers to explore the idea of using telekinesis on bowels.

    These are men that regularly challenge popular conventions and call their fellow writers out on their bullshit.

    And every single one of them has to kill women.

    I want to make this clear, I’m not condemning story choices. What feels right for a writer feels right for them and they have every right to tell the story as they feel it needs to be told.

    I’m more expressing…a sense of melancholia over the trends I see in fiction–especially genre fiction. Women can’t seem to live. And if they’re morally a little gray? If they make choices that might be a little wrong? Then their fate is sealed.

    Look at Phoenix/Jean Grey. In Claremont’s run on Uncanny X-Men she’s possessed by an intergalactic god force that gives her near infinite power. And she kills herself rather than attempt to wield that power.

    And Xena? She commits atrocious acts before we ever hear her first warrior cry. Thousands die because of her and the entire show is devoted to her using her godlike warrior skills to redeem herself. But in the end she’s still too potent a force in the world and her sins are apparently still to enumerable to be forgiven. So her head’s chopped off, her body’s mutilated and she’s left as nothing but a memory in her possibly schizophrenic best friend/lesbian lover’s head.

    She’s holding ashes so she COULD be spiritually connected, but the cutaway shows her alone so she’s also likely talking to herself.

    That exact same year and month Xena died Buffy leapt into a portal to keep a god from being reborn in our world and ended up six feet under for her sacrifice. A year later Tara died because it “serviced the story” and for reasons that will never be clear to anyone ever Cordelia Chase, perhaps the most dynamic character in the Whedonverse, went mad, banged her boyfriend’s son, gave birth to Gina Torres, attempted to redeem herself grew her hair back out so it looked fabulous and then? You guessed it. Bit the bullet.

    Moments before her death. Her crime? Being too awesome.

    Hines isn’t doing anything new in that respect. He’s just perpetuating an idea (quite unintentionally I think) that all-powerful women and dangerous, morally flawed women, cannot be allowed to live.

    Think about it. When was the last time you saw a woman “go Dark Phoenix” and then survive to the end of the story?

    The trope isn’t as young as Jean Grey. Its roots are found in the melodrama (and what are comics but melodramas with laser beam eyes and spandex) where women regularly “turned bad,” cheated, committed crimes and generally had a fantastic time doing it. But by the last reel of the film they were dying or dead. It wasn’t an attempt at moralizing by Breen-era film censors. Rather it was an outcome desired by the audience. An audience made up, primarily of women.

    The consensus among scholars is that the melodrama was so popular because women liked seeing rule breakers punished. They wanted to see that those women who dared subvert the norm be censured for their actions. Shows like Buffy, Xena and even Revenge* continue this tradition. They create fully realized women, put them through hell, have them drag a few others along for the ride and the pick them off. One. By. One.

    And this limitation–some undefined ratio of moral corruptibility to power–is really only placed on women. Doctor Who? If he were a woman he’d end up using all his regenerations in one epic light show sacrificing his power, atoning for his sins and condemning himself to mortality…

    Oh right. That actually happened.

    It hinges on gender. It hinges on the audience’s desire, whether conscious or not, to see women punished for challenging norms. And there in the pages of Jim C. Hine’s final book of the “Princess Series” it happens all over again with great melodramatic flare (it is seriously good absent my fatigue for the trope). A woman rises. Her means aren’t so pure. And she falls. And we all thrill at the pathos it invokes in us and then sigh, because it would seem, the story can never change.

    *Fingers crossed that Revenge bucks trends and opts NOT to kill off its vengeful Batman-esque heroine by series’ end.

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  • TheBestofAlexandra

    Word. On the upside, Patty Hewes is still alive and kicking. And Scarlett O’Hara lived to say, “Tomorrow is another day.”

  • http://twitter.com/masseffected Ross

    In defense of Chris Claremont, he was pushed into a corner by his editor-in-chief. The original story had the X-men being defeated and aliens performing psychic surgery on Jean Grey to remove the Phoenix portion of her mind. The editor-in-chief at Marvel at the time, Jim Shooter, insisted that Phoenix suffer some terrible punishment due to her wiping out an entire planet of plant people an issue or so earlier. The ending was changed at the last minute, with Shooter proposing some sort of alien prison and Claremont trying to up the ante by pointing out the X-men would never let Jean Grey rot in prison so death was the only option, hoping that Shooter would balk at the killing of a popular character but he didn’t. See:
    http://www.jimshooter.com/2011/06/origin-of-phoenix-saga.html

    • http://fempop.com/ Alex Cranz

      Claremont is clearly the best (how he handled Ms. Marvel should be applauded until the end of time).

      But I don’t know if imprisonment or psychic surgery would be much better? This may be because I keep looking at Doctor Who where an all powerful near deity is allowed to commit major crimes and continue on with his life and maintain his power. Any way you slice it though Jean was always doomed to be depowered, Shooter made it worse by demanding she be punished and then Claremont, simply perpetuated the age old narrative because it SO common that death seems the most natural end for that particular story.

      • Jade

        Almost nobody stays dead in comics. As I recall, it turned out that Phoenix wasn’t really Jean Grey, who was actually put in suspended animation at the bottom of the ocean. But, yeah, I see your point. Joss Whedon actually does a lot of nasty things to his powerful women characters. River was kidnapped and brainwashed. The whole Dollhouse concept was creepy in that it featured powerful, brainwashed women slaves. I was shocked in the Avengers movie when Loki took over Hawkeye and not Black Widow…

  • Lentilite

    In defense of Mr. Whedon, he is fairly likely to kill off morally conflicted men as well. (Topher was pretty much this trope exactly, other than being male.) And if he were always killing off the “all-powerful” and “dangerous, morally flawed” woman, Tara would have lived and Willow would have died.

    • http://fempop.com/ Alex Cranz

      Right. I just find it fascinating that the year he killed off Buffy Rob Tapert killed off the other significant fictional female character of the 90s. That’s kind of huge you know?

      I would never say he has a long storied history of it. He just happens to be guilty of doing it (in the case of Cordelia).

  • http://twitter.com/midnightblooms midnightblooms

    “Think about it. When was the last time you saw a woman “go Dark Phoenix” and then survive to the end of the story?”

    Willow from Buffy the Vampire Slayer. She went all “dark Willow,” redeemed herself, and survived through the series.

    • http://fempop.com/ Alex Cranz

      Though she was talked down by a powerless dude and is still feeling the effects of her little saga in the pages of Buffy Season 8-9 where she’s been? Depowered.

      Otherwise her story is pretty decent (unless you’re a queer lady in which case the death of Tara is so critical to the tale that it kind of tarnishes any of the good coming from Willow surviving her brush with absolute power).

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=672956260 Tamie Hamilton

        Do ou really have to bre queer to appreciate the impact of lost love?

  • http://twitter.com/SpinsterAndCat Andrea Harris

    This actually surprises me; since I don’t watch a lot of tv or read comics and am pretty out of the loop culture-wise I had no idea that killing women off especially was a trend. Doctor Who is the only show mentioned here that I’ve watched in any depth, and I thought the woman-killing thing was a problem with the show itself and I couldn’t understand where the writers were getting it from. The idea that it’s the culture explains so much. (Also another factor could be I’m so used to the idea that only men’s sacrifices/deaths are really “important” that I just didn’t notice.)

    • http://fempop.com/ Alex Cranz

      Between Davies and Moffatt Doctor Who has actually gotten REALLY bad about axing its female characters off. Part of that is because the Doctor is male and his friends are then always female, so the chance for death is higher, but that doesn’t stop the trend from being any more disturbing.

  • Ell

    Here from Jim Hines’ blog. Haven’t read his books yet (just recently started reading the blog), but this post reminds me of another trope I find irritating–actress gets pregnant, child dies in utero OR grows up in a week or so and becomes evil. Or sometimes the character isn’t pregnant but is terribly fat. (Hope this posts right–just registered and am a bit confused.)

    • http://fempop.com/ Alex Cranz

      You did it just right! And yeah the Rosemary’s Baby trope can be SUPER tiresome. It’s on my list of tropes to delve into.

  • Elizabeth S Ray-Trumitch

    I want to push you toward the Kushiel series by Jacqueline Carey (the last time I didn’t see this happen.)

    • http://fempop.com/ Alex Cranz

      I love her Santa Olivia series. I’ve been flirting with the idea of reading the Kushiel series. I’ll definitely have to give it a go!

  • http://twitter.com/itsjustahobby jemima 101

    @twitter-18767824:disqus I was thinking exactly the same thing, and using Buffy’s death hardly counts when she is resurrected. In fact it is only after her resurrection that she really becomes morally ambiguous.

    • http://fempop.com/ Alex Cranz

      Hey thanks for contributing! I wasn’t using Buffy as an example–more I’m just fascinated with how she and Xena, arguably the two most important fictional women of the 90s, were killed off within days of each other.

  • gundam16

    First thing is that you can treat all media exactly the same. Dark Phoenix killed off a galaxy and was crazy. Cordelia never went dark, she was posessed, and everyone on Angel dies or is dead except Lorne. Look at Fred, she died and was resurrected insanely powerful. This article doesn’t seem researched, and you’d have to find out how often all characters die after turning evil and then good again.

    This isn’t unique to women, I never played this part but supposedly one of your characters in Tales of Symphonia dies if he betrays your party. Jet from Avatar died after becoming a good guy ect.

    • http://fempop.com/ Alex Cranz

      These women are all part of a greater narrative you know? Where it seems like they step out of line and are snuffed out for it. There are certainly minute differences in HOW they come to that point (the example I pulled from Hines’s Princess series, like Cordelia, is an example of possession) but they all end the same way.

      And I don’t really know if either Jet or the character from Tales of Symphonia are quite the same. These women are all given the chance to wield IMMENSE power. They’re not just dying. They’re dying after being the most powerful people in the room and seemingly snuffed out because of it.

      • gundam16

        It is the same because forgetting the power aspect, these are redemptive deaths or heroic sacrifices(Buffy hadn’t gotten any great power, and Cordelia’s power wasn’t hers and she’s not revealed as powerful till after she’s revealed as evil), and these things happen in fiction.

        The same thing happened to Angel in season 2 of Buffy, and Spider-man in Spider-Man TAS’s final episode.

        Your last line is just plain wrong. Fact is that power ups through gimmickry rarely last on least that’s the initial thing that powers it up. Power in comics at least, creeps slowly as time goes by. Wonder Woman became a god and then back to normal, and Superman’s gone through crazy transformations and then back again. Jean Grey before she turned into the phoenix was already crazy powerful, and she was still powerful when she was resurrected.

        Like I mention, Phoenix is a story about a character turning evil and then choosing a redemptive death(maybe because she was too poweful and not popular enough for her own mag, they decided to do a story about absolute power corrupting people). That’s different than a morally complex character like Maria Hill, Silver Sable, Catwoman, Black Cat ect.

  • http://www.facebook.com/julie.shalack Julie Lynne Shalack

    I loved this series! I’d read other books by Hines, and I liked them, but I thought he really nailed it with this one. The first book was fun, and I thought he would just carry on with the next books, but instead he made the next books more complex and worked out how over time his characters’ actions had consequences.
    I loved this series so much that I don’t mind that I loathed the fourth book.

    SPOILER for the fourth book and also Hardy’s Tess of the D’Urbervilles

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    You know, Hines did worse than just kill off X. He ERASED her. He spent the whole book slowly introducing X’s clone, who looks exactly like X and has all of X’s memories except for the problematic ones where X ended up being morally grey or black. Then, when he killed off X, he just slid the clone into X’s place, even going so far as to have Y’s unrequited love for X just transfer to the clone (“Don’t worry!”, says the clone, “I have all of X’s memories so loving me is that same as loving X.”)
    I thought it was like Tess_of_the_D’Urbervilles. In that book, Tess is a strong heroine who goes through lots of troubles but finally ends up in true love with the rich noble hero. But, oh no, she can’t actually end up with him because she has had sex and so is tainted (He’s had sex too but he’s a guy so he’s still pure). So the solution is to kill Tess but have her on her deathbed send her true love to her younger (14 yrs old? 15?) and still innocent sister, who had previously played no role in this book. So the hero gets Tess after all, but a better Tess, an undamaged Tess with no history. Because women are the same so you can just replace a used-up one with a nice clean new one.
    So, back to the Hines series. For several books we’ve been seeing X struggle with darkness. She draws lines but then ends up desperate to help her friends and goes a little further in. She chases knowledge and just can’t bear to call off the hunt when it is taking her a little too far. It’s been fascinating. But, well, she got too inconveniently dark so instead of continuing to follow the consequences we’ll just kill her off and replace her with a blank clone. That horrible desperate scene in a previous book where she couldn’t acknowledge that her friend was beyond help and went way too far with her magic studies? Gone. The driving ambition that made her seek dark powers but which also gave her the power to help her friends? GOne. The emotional scars that she tried so hard to overcome but which got her in the end because it is just not that easy to overcome emotional scars? Wiped clean. The evil actions she did which must give her a heavy burden of guilt for the rest of her life? They never happened, as it was X who did that and not the clone.
    There’s more. Y loved X but X did not return it. Clearly that was a flaw of X’s, since Y is very lovable. So the clone has that inconvenient unresponsiveness smoothed away and is in love with Y. The author does all this himself so Y et al get to have the new, unsullied X while keeping their own hands completely clean but I would have loved it if the author had made the whole thing explicit. Acknowledge that this is filthy work. Tell Y and her friends that the only way to save X is to erase from her mind the memory of her crimes. Then how does the conversation go? “We can’t just erase her memory because she’ll do the same thing again. We have to get rid of the personality traits that made her do such things.” “Yes, no more ambition, what a relief that she will no longer lock herself in her tower for weeks, ignoring her friends and not taking care of herself.” “Oh, and that hidden emotional turmoil, we’ll just go right in and erase that.” “And it’s wrong of her not to love Y. X said she felt bad about the situation, which clearly means that she wants us to alter her brain so she can respond properly.” “That promiscuity, where she sleeps with every guy she meets and seems to have such a joyful time doing it, that will have to go now that she’s with X.” “Hey, why don’t we make her more tidy while we’re at it, she drives me crazy the way she leaves stuff lying around.” “And she should definitely be more accommodating and subordinate instead of always giving us a hard time.”
    I’d have liked the clone better if I’d felt she was X’s daughter instead of X’s unsullied replacement who just slides into the X-shaped part of Y’s heart. I felt like Y and her friends weren’t even properly mourning X since they had her replacement right there with them. Didn’t she deserve to be mourned? If you have any history at all then you carry the weight of your failures and regrets and guilt. Was all the history they shared together so valueless that they don’t care if their friend has all the weight wiped away?
    However, I think my reaction is deeply in the minority because I looked around a little on the internet and nobody else seemed to feel that introducing the clone was a way to replace the problematically experienced and ambitious X with a nice clean unmarked version. And yet it was my immediate visceral reaction. Mileage sure does vary.

    • http://fempop.com/ Alex Cranz

      This this this. Like I see how he came to that point and even in my head I see how it can be hella dramatic and interesting, but the underlying problem is still there: a character who is ambitious and a little amoral is wiped away so we can have a more “virginal” version of her, that, at least for me, isn’t nearly as interesting.

      Maybe that clone will end up being like Madeleine Pryor and then there will suddenly be a 5th book and X will return and be a total BAMF and that X/Y relationship that was so delicately handled for the first three books will be further pursued because I seriously loved that dilemma X faced (though the resolution wherein she gives her clone the feelings she didn’t feel she was capable of having for Y is actually hella romantic when you think about it).

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=672956260 Tamie Hamilton

    You’lll seriously love the characters in Legend of the Seeker. Netflicks has all the episodes, so you can tear through it pretty quickly.

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